(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2013 North American Masters Round 3 Board 2]PW[Hugh Zhang]PB[MingMing (Stephanie) Yin]WR[7d]BR[1p]DT[2013-08-07]EV[2013 North American Masters]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dave Weimer]C[Jermelle [-\]: SUME!!
Tan [7k\]: yay/o/
Jermelle [-\]: woo another one of my many many many friends and teachers
Rukis [1k\]: Go mingming! :D
Jermelle [-\]: gooo hush
Jermelle [-\]: *hugh
Megalodon [9d\]: whats going on?
ljl [6k?\]: starts at 8:00 in what time zone?
Rukis [1k\]: 7pm
Rukis [1k\]: pst
]RE[B+14.50]
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;W[cn]
;B[fq]
;W[gc]
;B[fe]
;W[jc]C[Baldanders [4k\]: starts at 8:00 in what the time zone is set to on your computer
ljl [6k?\]: thx
USSRMan [3d\]: are there any new north american pros this year?
Jermelle [-\]: the pro exam is in december
]
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;B[re]
;W[pi]
;B[of]C[ljl [6k?\]: is it just me or is w getting rather aggressive
Rukis [1k\]: go go mingming~
Rukis [1k\]: Yes USSR
Rukis [1k\]: it will be decided in december :P
Jermelle [-\]: Go hugh /o/
Rukis [1k\]: LA :D
Jermelle [-\]: I live in LA :D
Rukis [1k\]: >.>
Rukis [1k\]: ima have to work hard this summer
Jermelle [-\]: XD
Rukis [1k\]: well
Jermelle [-\]: you are gonna try? I know I'm going to the costen tournament
Rukis [1k\]: next summer lol
Jermelle [-\]: I think that's in LA
Rukis [1k\]: pfft
DrSmiley [5k\]: So the pro exam is in december. are you saying it is held in LA
Rukis [1k\]: if i entered the online tournament i would lose 1st round
Rukis [1k\]: yes
Jermelle [-\]: I am entering online and in real life
Jermelle [-\]: the costen i mean
DrSmiley [5k\]: I would love to try that when im stronger,   do the have pro exam every year for North America?
Rukis [1k\]: i know i would lose because i have a really strong feeling ima end up playing someone super strong
Jermelle [-\]: I always end up with 4-5d when I enter a tournament
Rukis [1k\]: you have to be AGA or CGA to enter i believe
]
;W[qn]C[DrSmiley [5k\]: I see
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;B[ej]C[USSRMan [3d\]: is there a MGA?
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;W[di]
;B[fh]
;W[cg]C[Baldanders [4k\]: yes, the Asociacion Mexicana de Go
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;B[bg]
;W[dh]
;B[cf]C[Jermelle [-\]: how much time is left USGO?
USGO2 [-\]: w has 50 min; will have to wait to see w time
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;W[fi]C[USGO2 [-\]: w has 71 min
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;B[gh]
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;B[je]C[USGO2 [-\]: b has 71 min
USGO2 [-\]: sorry
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;W[hb]
;B[kf]
;W[mg]C[USGO2 [-\]: w has 41 min; b has 67 min
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;B[fb]
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;B[gm]C[USGO2 [-\]: w has 27 min; b has 57 min
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;W[bo]
;B[kj]
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;B[ii]
;W[ji]
;B[kg]
;W[kh]
;B[ng]
;W[mf]
;B[mh]
;W[lg]C[ericosman [1k\]: which is better for black now, something around q3 to prevent white p3 ?  or something else ?
ericosman [1k\]: can black effectively attack the upper right white group ?
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;B[pk]C[icewater [1d\]: not the upper right group you had in mind i am sure
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;W[ok]C[icewater [1d\]: Q7 natural follow-up
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;B[pm]
;W[qk]
;B[pn]
;W[po]C[ericosman [1k\]: well, the group i had in mind is the k9 one, and q6 certainly contributes to possible attack on the k9 one.  as guo juan says "if you want to attack in the west, make noise in the east"
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;B[ql]
;W[pj]
;B[rn]
;W[ro]
;B[qm]
;W[pl]
;B[qo]
;W[rp]C[atarinogo [?\]: w group look like long dumpling, maybe call it "spaetzle"
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;B[nn]C[horowitz [1d\]: pls its called "my penis"
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;W[np]C[horowitz [1d\]: ok just saying that wasnt me
horowitz [1d\]: that was a friend
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;B[ln]
;W[mb]C[Jermelle [-\]: o.o
Jermelle [-\]: lies
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;B[lb]C[horowitz [1d\]: it was me
horowitz [1d\]: jk
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;W[hd]
;B[jb]
;W[eb]C[USGO2 [-\]: w has 10 min; b has 35 min
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;B[ig]
;W[cp]
;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[br]
;W[ap]C[Tan [7k\]: who is ahead at this point? black?
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;B[ei]
;W[qb]
;B[rb]
;W[jn]
;B[jm]
;W[ob]
;B[qa]C[ljl [6k?\]: white looks like he has probs to me
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;W[na]
;B[oe]
;W[pa]
;B[pb]C[eluusive [?\]: yeah that dragon is going to decide the game.
Snova1987a [10k\]: looks like W has to play this ko xD
icebucket [9k\]: ko .....
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;W[od]C[frostwind [4k\]: i thinks this ko is a bit too small to concern about
eluusive [?\]: what?!
frostwind [4k\]: just a few pts at the edges at the corner
frostwind [4k\]: tenuuki and j3
ljl [6k?\]: lol
eluusive [?\]: it's for life of that entire dragon
atarinogo [?\]: o17 kills?
icebucket [9k\]: For B yes is small not for W.
ljl [6k?\]: only if b keeps the ko
eluusive [?\]: It's not small for black either.   If the life of that group will probably decide the game.
ljl [6k?\]: wonder what w gives to keep his dragon alive
icebucket [9k\]: W is fine,  Black has a few holes to plug.
Snova1987a [10k\]: stuck in a sea of Black
lance [1d\]: black has threats against g18 group
ljl [6k?\]: tastee little group in the upper left
eluusive [?\]: I'm surprised that a 1pro is playing in the US Open?
lance [1d\]: why?
]
;B[kn]C[tfunk [7k?\]: not just one
ljl [6k?\]: get em mingming
eluusive [?\]: I don't recall there being any pros playing last year.
]
;W[qb]
;B[mq]C[BOThater36 [4d\]: Minwan Kim pro 9p play 2-3 years here
BOThater36 [4d\]: he donated all his cash award though
phub: go hugh
USGO2 [-\]: w in overtime
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;W[mp]
;B[lq]C[eluusive [?\]: I would not have expected N4 at all.
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;W[lp]
;B[kr]C[eluusive [?\]: Guess that's why I'm not a 7dan :/
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;W[nr]
;B[jq]C[gogogo [8k\]: the 7dan test is only one question, would you play N4? (yes/no)
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;W[kp]C[phub: go mingming
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;B[eh]C[eluusive [?\]: I would have played O3 and then follow up with H3.
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;W[om]
;B[on]
;W[dk]
;B[bj]
;W[bk]
;B[db]C[phub: it's close
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;W[fa]
;B[ib]C[holynec [-\]: Haro my fwends
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;W[ff]C[Unstable [1d\]: hero asian elmer fudd :)
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;B[ee]
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;B[da]
;W[ea]C[ljl [6k?\]: that H19 was starting to look important
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;B[nq]
;W[oq]
;B[mr]C[slaiyfer [8k\]: n1 beter?
DonValley [7d\]: no
chenccc1 [3k\]: k4
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;W[ms]
;B[lr]
;W[or]C[odnihs [-\]: gooo hughh
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;B[jp]C[ljl [6k?\]: Im not seeing enough space for white
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;W[fo]
;B[gp]
;W[df]C[happysocks [-\]: so this tourney is the us championship?
killrbunny [2k\]: Like it says up at the top... North American Masters Tournament
Herod [-\]: No, this is the North American Masters
Herod [-\]: The US Open is a different tournament
ljl [6k?\]: does anyone know when they brodcast the euro turn?
killrbunny [2k\]: c2 looks pretty big for w
]
;B[de]C[holynec [-\]: I remember when Hugh was 3d.
Illyria [?\]: me too
]
;W[cr]
;B[dq]C[killrbunny [2k\]: I called it! Am I promoted?
Tan [7k\]: to 32k :O
ljl [6k?\]: sure, go nuts
]
;W[bs]C[killrbunny [2k\]: b ahead by 5?
killrbunny [2k\]: ...hmmm... or 10?
]
;B[ij]C[killrbunny [2k\]: Why not d2 first??
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;W[jo]
;B[hn]
;W[ko]C[happysocks [-\]: googled U.S Go Championship n got squat 
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;B[nm]C[Illyria [?\]: the US open is probably the closest you're gonna get
eluusive [?\]: are more US Pros going to be decided this year?
]
;W[ol]
;B[pb]C[Illyria [?\]: the plan is one in december
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;W[ip]
;B[iq]
;W[qb]
;B[go]C[happysocks [-\]: seems like europe does things better if you ask me
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;W[fn]C[ljl [6k?\]: hey socks, have you seen a start time for teh Euro congress games?
Herod [-\]: We didn't
]
;B[pb]C[Illyria [?\]: has anyone counted recently?
killrbunny [2k\]: USGO: how much time do they have left?
ljl [6k?\]: Im guessing if ming ming kills that dragon the count dont matter
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;W[kk]C[happysocks [-\]: don't know ljl, maybe 3-4 hours to start would be my gues
eluusive [?\]: I don't think MingMing has to do that to win.
ljl [6k?\]: thanks socks
killrbunny [2k\]: b is up 7!
ljl [6k?\]: me nether
Snova1987a [10k\]: even if that lives, B ahead
xedover [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/
ljl [6k?\]: looks like b has a comfortable lead
]
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;B[pb]
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;B[pb]
;W[lk]
;B[mj]
;W[qb]C[ljl [6k?\]: p5 looks threat ish
tfunk [7k?\]: how much time is on the clocks i wonder
Illyria [?\]: hugh's in byo-yomi
holynec [-\]: IS hugh going to win?!
Illyria [?\]: no idea how much time mingming has left
Illyria [?\]: no
holynec [-\]: then why not lose - .-
killrbunny [2k\]: c11 looks like a point in sente
xedover [?\]: hugh has 3 periods left, stephanie has about 2 mins main time left
Illyria [?\]: thanks xedover
slaiyfer [8k\]: there is no way white can win. should b resigning actually by now
]
;B[rl]C[death101 [?\]: did u count?
Illyria [?\]: I counted b up by around 8 even if this dragon lives
BeefCake [4d\]: i think b is ahead by about 6
]
;W[rk]C[death101 [?\]: I say white plus 1.5 
]
;B[pb]C[BeefCake [4d\]: if she fills s19 and w fills q18
eluusive [?\]: I wish I knew how to count
killrbunny [2k\]: 1, 2, 3...
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;W[ll]
;B[nk]
;W[qb]C[Illyria [?\]: you find the points and count them
]
;B[rg]C[death101 [?\]: with the 7.5 komi that is
Muttley [2k\]: Take my 5 lessons in counting, eluusive
Illyria [?\]: oh, I forgot that AGA komi is 7.5 and not 6.5
eluusive [?\]: Muttley?
Muttley [2k\]: $15 each or $100 the lot.
death101 [?\]: b+.5 
Illyria [?\]: hahaha, muttley
Muttley [2k\]: ;-)
eluusive [?\]: Muttley: I don't think I will take lessons that are that expensive from someone two stones stronger than me :P
xedover [?\]: white has 2 periods left
slaiyfer [8k\]: aga uses chinese counting?
Illyria [?\]: AGA uses AGA counting
killrbunny [2k\]: similar
eluusive [?\]: slaiyfer: AGA uses aga counting.
Muttley [2k\]: eluusive, counting is about learning to assess aji and sente
slaiyfer [8k\]: ah ic
killrbunny [2k\]: almost chinese
eluusive [?\]: slaiyfer: It's japanese counting with passing stones to make the count the same as chinese.
Muttley [2k\]: anyway, you illyria got the joke :)
Illyria [?\]: I can count
xedover [?\]: white has one period left
death101 [?\]: j5 huge 
killrbunny [2k\]: w is counting and will then resign (my prediction)
eluusive [?\]: Zhang is a good player.   He would have resigned already if he didn't think he could make up the difference.
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;W[rh]C[egzinbayki [6k\]: 1 minute byo-yomi?
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;B[pb]
;W[bf]C[death101 [?\]: timesuji
killrbunny [2k\]: ko threat
]
;B[qb]C[eluusive [?\]: ???
ljl [6k?\]: now there is a pile of ko threats
Muttley [2k\]: w 43.5, b 37 i hve
eluusive [?\]: I am so confused?
killrbunny [2k\]: whoa!
death101 [?\]: l7
eluusive [?\]: doesn't O17 save the dragon?
killrbunny [2k\]: oh...
Neospring [2k\]: w has to o17?
Illyria [?\]: o17 saves the dragon in gote
Illyria [?\]: which is sad
]
;W[il]C[eluusive [?\]: Yes, but C14 still there
]
;B[im]C[trousey [12k\]: ?
death101 [?\]: l7 connects
xedover [?\]: black is in byo-yomi now
trousey [12k\]: is there a live stream?
]
;W[nc]
;B[ce]C[Rukis [1k\]: no
]
;W[ds]
;B[er]C[killrbunny [2k\]: b has 60?
]
;W[io]C[killrbunny [2k\]: w has 35 + komi?
]
;B[hp]C[killrbunny [2k\]: Nah... I can't count...
]
;W[ls]
;B[jr]C[egzinbayki [6k\]: i count b as 51 +10
eluusive [?\]: I think B12 is an interesting throw in.
]
;W[sg]C[killrbunny [2k\]: I say b by 15.3
]
;B[aj]C[killrbunny [2k\]: er... 13.5
Muttley [2k\]: 49, 40.5
]
;W[ih]C[killrbunny [2k\]: why not c11
killrbunny [2k\]: ?
]
;B[hh]
;W[hl]C[rich2011 [2d\]: a12
]
;B[hk]C[rich2011 [2d\]: no, sorry
]
;W[qp]
;B[ks]
;W[ns]
;B[es]C[egzinbayki [6k\]: b+3?
killrbunny [2k\]: I still only find 35 for w on the board
]
;W[id]C[Illyria [?\]: I'm getting b+12-ish now too
killrbunny [2k\]: and 55 for b
]
;B[ik]
;W[jl]
;B[cs]C[holynec [-\]:  I had W winning since move 5 :O
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;W[ci]
;B[bh]
;W[ds]
;B[oo]
;W[op]
;B[cs]C[Soromon [1d\]: B+10 means Matthew plays Stephanie in round 4 to determine the champion.
eluusive [?\]: H5?
]
;W[hq]
;B[hr]
;W[ds]
;B[sk]
;W[sj]
;B[sl]C[slaiyfer [8k\]: h5 isnt a threat with g8 and l7 miai
BeefCake [4d\]: that'll be a hell of a game
eluusive [?\]: BeefCake: Where't he other eye if white cuts?
]
;W[sn]C[eluusive [?\]: never mind.
]
;B[cs]C[SColbert [4d\]: w hasn't resigned ?
eluusive [?\]: I am blind
killrbunny [2k\]: w is tired
SColbert [4d\]: 15 pt difference
]
;W[br]
;B[sm]
;W[so]
;B[qn]C[ljl [6k?\]: w k19
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;W[fp]
;B[ho]C[SColbert [4d\]: maybe 13 pt
]
;W[ia]C[hbw [2k\]: maybe 11points
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;B[gd]
;W[ja]
;B[kb]
;W[jg]
;B[ie]C[eluusive [?\]: Eh?
ljl [6k?\]: w res?
Soromon [1d\]: Game recording fatigue
ljl [6k?\]: o
ljl [6k?\]: was supprised w did not respond to the atari
Muttley [2k\]: that's user just earned a free holiday from kgs
egzinbayki [6k\]: tx muttley
SColbert [4d\]: lol
Muttley [2k\]: yw
killrbunny [2k\]: *now* w is counting and will resign?
Rukis [1k\]: game is still going?
Rukis [1k\]: its been 3 hours o.o
eluusive [?\]: I'm rooting for white.
Rukis [1k\]: go Mingming~~!!
USGO2 [-\]: finishing yose---will report score soon
eluusive [?\]: Go Zhang!
Muttley [2k\]: w's lost, eluusive
ljl [6k?\]: kk
eluusive [?\]: Muttley: Don't you tell me who's lost! :D
BeefCake [4d\]: b+10
killrbunny [2k\]: b by 13.5! (my prediction)
ljl [6k?\]: I got a nickel on B
eluusive [?\]: That's way too high
eluusive [?\]: It's less than 8 difference
Rukis [1k\]: b+5.5
bozboy204 [16k\]: score estimator at B+7.5
killrbunny [2k\]: different rule set
eluusive [?\]: score est is being generous
eluusive [?\]: killrbunny: The rules are not that different.
Soromon [1d\]: B+9.5
eluusive [?\]: It's a most one off.
xedover [?\]: they're counting now
ljl [6k?\]: 50ish  black 30ish white
ljl [6k?\]: over 10 nder 20
hbw [2k\]: NO
Eduardo [2k\]: w won o.o
ljl [6k?\]: well I been wrong before
DonValley [7d\]: they just finished counting, B+2.5
eluusive [?\]: Eduardo: are you at the congress?
USGO2 [-\]: b wins 33 to 18.5
killrbunny [2k\]: 14.5!
globax [3d\]: thx usgo
ljl [6k?\]: over 10 but under 20.....
ljl [6k?\]: the doc
xedover [?\]: thanks usgo
ljl [6k?\]: thx doc
DonValley [7d\]: b wins
Eduardo [2k\]: not, but i've learned aga rules, i think
Eduardo [2k\]: XD
USGO2 [-\]: b wins 33 to 18.5
killrbunny [2k\]: 14.5! give me a dollar!
Rukis [1k\]: xD
ljl [6k?\]: good game ming ming
eluusive [?\]: How can it be 14.5?
Soromon [1d\]: B endgame is 5 points stronger than I expected too.
Eduardo [2k\]: b have more captured stones
eluusive [?\]: eduardo: Which game are you looking at?  White has 14 stones.
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